New Creature - Questions

[Monkey Man]

I'm a creature training newbie, and I'm sure you guys are getting tired of answering the same Questions all the time ( :sorry), but here goes:

I'm looking to train a good tortoise  :angel.

1. I've read about 20 guides on the internet, but never managed to make my creature 'self sufficient'. (eating, sleeping, etc.) Help?

2. What's the best food for him to eat, and in what quantity?

3. I get him to sleep a night, and when else: tired or exhausted?

4. When should I start teaching him miracles, straight away or when he's ~a year old?

5. Whats the best training map to use?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Gremxula]

I am biased but a quick guide as to how I do it...Select a creature.
Use my Extreme Growth  map/system or similar, to get him full size.
Now  use a training map to teach  the 3 miracles you  want him to use most.
Now specific answers.
1. The less you interfere with your creature the  more independent he will be.
2. Fish in most lands or skirmish. As much as he likes the more fat the better from a practical point of view.
3. Night for growth or any time to recover.
4. As you think  he can help more with them.
5.  The best map....There  is none.....because it depends on what you want  from a map/the game.
To be frank...B&W is a personal journey and you should  choose your own  route.
But just remember to have some fun.

 

[Okapidragon]

I pretty much did what Gremxula said, probably initially at his suggestion. He knows what he's talking about. As for my answers...

1: The directions in Gremxula's Growth Map readme really can also be used as instructions to make your creature self-sufficient, you just have to teach him to only sleep when exhausted after you're done or he'll be useless at night. After that, only interact with him when he is either dying or doing something you don't want him to do (spank him), and if you really need him to perform a specific task. For me, controlling the creature and fighting alongside it is half the fun, but I managed, over ~100 in-game years, to get a creature that could also function self-sufficiently and win a skirmish by itself about half the time (admittedly sometimes I'd come back to find it dying repeatedly due to being zapped by the enemy). To be perfectly honest, starting a new game now, I marvel at how I ever trained any creature in the first place. As Sable says, they are "slightly headstrong," clearly an euphemism for "willful bastards."
2: As Grem said, fish. There is an infinite supply of it, and in most maps and all of the storyline maps, there is plenty of it all around. Just make sure you have the patched version or it will make him evil. I'm not sure if it's actually true, as I have not tested, but apparently eating meat makes your creature stonger. But meat is not really very renewable, as animals breed slowly. If it's fish, it's unlimited, and a fat creature can take more hits, has more endurance, and can cast more miracles, all of which are also traits that you want to accent in the slow-moving, tough and intelligent turtle, whereas a skinny creature has a large bonus in speed and thus is better in pure combat. If you have a tiger, wolf or leopard, skinny is the way to go, which is harder to do, but for the turtle and bears in particular you'll want them fat.
3: When he reaches 50-100% tiredness the first time you interact with him after the growth map, make him sleep and when he wakes up pet him to 100% (make sure that it isn't night time, or he may think you are petting him for sleeping at night, a habit you should have already broken him of). The next few times he gets that tired and sleeps, pet him to ~90% or 80%, to make sure he doesn't get inot the habit of only sleeping when he's slightly tired and never sleeping when he's very tired, or eating when he's a little hungry but very tired. Then, when he reaches 30%-50% tiredness, pet him to 70%, and the next few times pet him to 60% or 50%. When he sleeps at 10-30%, pet him to 40%, and the next few times he sleep in that range pet him to 20 or 30%. Then, when he sleeps at ten percent or below, reward him to ten percent. That should teach him to sleep in correct proportion to his tiredness. Note that you may have to repeat much later in his life, when he will start acting weird.
4: Any time after he's fully grown, teach him whatever you have the patience for. The first four miracles he learns will likely be his favourite unless you take special measures to fix it, so I suggest food, wood, heal and one other, perhaps birds, for a good creature. A word of advice: If your creature is good and you plan on using him to megablast temples, megablast should probably be the only offensive miracle you teach him, unless you are very patient.
5: I use Kilroy's for training, actually. It's just the easiest, even if you have to drag the miracles about to teach the creature proper usage, and it can also be used as a sort of a "rest house" to feed, rest and exercise your creature in the middle of the story.

 

[Monkey Man]

Thanks for the answers guys!

 

[oRbb]

Every people who think totally detailled about how to raise a creature over and over again even in the finest and tiniest aspects and who know every detail, every tree, every fish-spot and every village in the entire game...People who can play through Black & White in one session or day and who're still not bored with it because they see it's over and over something totally new...Oh god, I think I am home....

















The cake wasn't a lie...

 

[Sylvan]

Spoiler

Every people who think totally detailled about how to raise a creature over and over again even in the finest and tiniest aspects and who know every detail, every tree, every fish-spot and every village in the entire game...People who can play through Black & White in one session or day and who're still not bored with it because they see it's over and over something totally new...

Oh god

Spoiler

, I think I am home....

















The cake wasn't a lie...

You rang?


1. I've read about 20 guides on the internet, but never managed to make my creature 'self sufficient'. (eating, sleeping, etc.) Help?
http://www.bwfiles.com/boards/index.php?topic=5839.msg49845#msg49845
A topic all about this question.

2. What's the best food for him to eat, and in what quantity?
Fish, when ever he wants too. If he's self-sufficiant, he'll only eat what he'll need. Unless he's greedy.
He won't get obese from fish anyway. Only healthy fat. (the 35-65% range)

3. I get him to sleep a night, and when else: tired or exhausted?
Tricky one, as the answer is neither!
When a creature is self-sufficient, he will sleep when he wants too. So.. Don't interfere?

4. When should I start teaching him miracles, straight away or when he's ~a year old?
How much do you value miracles? The ones you learn at the ages of 0 will be those he values most.
But, letting him reach the age of 1 or 2 is fine too. A creature is never to old to learn miracles.

5. Whats the best training map to use?
A map that most reflects the maps you will play yourself. - You can't learn to drive in a car that has it's steering wheel on the right side, if eventually, you are going to drive in a car with the steering wheel on the left. - If you do so, it will take time for you to learn this new way. Not very efficient.