mgordon1100
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If so, what's the best way to make it work?
Anyone using Linux?
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Cursed be the Linux. The simplest solution is not to use it, it's 'orrible. I would recommend WINE, the Windows program converter for Linux, though, if you're stuck with it. One of my Linux-heavy friends plays BnW with it, and it seems to work at about normal capacity for him.
But, honestly, I'd use a Mac before Linux. I might even use Windows ME.
Also, quite sorry if you are at all offended by my ragging on Linux, but it really does need some serious enemies.
But, honestly, I'd use a Mac before Linux. I might even use Windows ME.
Also, quite sorry if you are at all offended by my ragging on Linux, but it really does need some serious enemies.
... lol at Okapidragon
What do you mean make it work though?
Like, what distro are you trying to use? And what's the problem
If you're completely new to it I'd recommend trying Ubuntu, because it has one of the best support for a distro/OS that I've seen. Personally, I use Ubuntu and OpenSUSE (the KDE environment doesn't work right in Ubuntu so I have to use another for it)
Also, in response to Okapidragon (just skip this unless you're Okapidragon, it's really just kinda ranting):
Macs aren't bad, but considering the price, and the fact that there's a free OS that can be easily argued just as good as it, it's not really cost effective to use. Same with Windows, although it doesn't cost a whole lot of money to buy the hardware to run it "legally".
There's nothing wrong with Linux, unless you got some horrible distro that has no GUI or something to that effect (which technically there are good uses for, but I imagine you don't have one of them.)
Edit: wait what I thought this was in general help. lol, nevermind my post. I completely missed the point of it.
... But yeah, WINE would be the best way I can think of to do it, otherwise Cedega or possibly VMWare Workstation, though I have'nt used the latter two.
What do you mean make it work though?
Like, what distro are you trying to use? And what's the problem
If you're completely new to it I'd recommend trying Ubuntu, because it has one of the best support for a distro/OS that I've seen. Personally, I use Ubuntu and OpenSUSE (the KDE environment doesn't work right in Ubuntu so I have to use another for it)
Also, in response to Okapidragon (just skip this unless you're Okapidragon, it's really just kinda ranting):
Macs aren't bad, but considering the price, and the fact that there's a free OS that can be easily argued just as good as it, it's not really cost effective to use. Same with Windows, although it doesn't cost a whole lot of money to buy the hardware to run it "legally".
There's nothing wrong with Linux, unless you got some horrible distro that has no GUI or something to that effect (which technically there are good uses for, but I imagine you don't have one of them.)
Edit: wait what I thought this was in general help. lol, nevermind my post. I completely missed the point of it.
... But yeah, WINE would be the best way I can think of to do it, otherwise Cedega or possibly VMWare Workstation, though I have'nt used the latter two.
mgordon1100
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You'd use ME over Linux? You're a sick puppy!
I'm not new to Linux, as I've been using it for ten years. My distro of choice has Mandrake in the past, now Mandriva. I have played B & W before with it. It took some time, but I successfully got it to run. Now, it's been a long time since I've played B&W, and I just recently dusted off my CD to start it up again. When I had it running long ago, I can't remember which distro I had running, but I used an older version of winex. Now, it's all about Cedega. I just can't seem to get it to run under Cedega with the winex 7 engine. It will start the opening little screen shot of the manual cover, then die.
To the poster about having a distro without a gui, that's not even a problem. That just means that you have a little more manual installs to do to get a gui up and running. I've had more success with Linux running consistently stable than ever with windows. I'm not knocking windows, as XP has been the most stable Windows yet. I'm just saying that they have some room for improvement. I wont even get started on Vista. I'm not even running a 64 bit kernel of Linux. I tried, but the same with Windows, there just isn't enough support from the software community yet for 64 bit applications across the platform boards.
I'm not new to Linux, as I've been using it for ten years. My distro of choice has Mandrake in the past, now Mandriva. I have played B & W before with it. It took some time, but I successfully got it to run. Now, it's been a long time since I've played B&W, and I just recently dusted off my CD to start it up again. When I had it running long ago, I can't remember which distro I had running, but I used an older version of winex. Now, it's all about Cedega. I just can't seem to get it to run under Cedega with the winex 7 engine. It will start the opening little screen shot of the manual cover, then die.
To the poster about having a distro without a gui, that's not even a problem. That just means that you have a little more manual installs to do to get a gui up and running. I've had more success with Linux running consistently stable than ever with windows. I'm not knocking windows, as XP has been the most stable Windows yet. I'm just saying that they have some room for improvement. I wont even get started on Vista. I'm not even running a 64 bit kernel of Linux. I tried, but the same with Windows, there just isn't enough support from the software community yet for 64 bit applications across the platform boards.
@Jaden: I'd rather chip in an extra $2-3 hundred for a decent OS, and be able to upgrade my hardware... I'm a Windows/Micro$oft man all the way, since I despise obsolescence and crappy OS's.
@Kee715: Never. Not in a million years. Though perhaps if I was paid to own a few extra good computers in reserve.
@mgordon1100: I get that a lot. I'm also the only person I know (or, indeed, have ever heard of) that has run ME... On an eMachine... At average capacity... For, get this, seven and a half years (admittedly, I finally got XP a few years back, but four and a half years with ME, and the only thing I've seen that's worse is Linux. Especially Mepis.)
Incidentally, one Linux OS has run up, the fast kid in fat camp, and wedged itself right between ME andMacOS9 Windows 3.0: Debian. And, for some reason, it's nobody's favorite. You Linux people, you're all insane.
@Kee715: Never. Not in a million years. Though perhaps if I was paid to own a few extra good computers in reserve.
@mgordon1100: I get that a lot. I'm also the only person I know (or, indeed, have ever heard of) that has run ME... On an eMachine... At average capacity... For, get this, seven and a half years (admittedly, I finally got XP a few years back, but four and a half years with ME, and the only thing I've seen that's worse is Linux. Especially Mepis.)
Incidentally, one Linux OS has run up, the fast kid in fat camp, and wedged itself right between ME and
mgordon1100
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Well, Okapidragon, you kind of have to have an inquisitive mind to want to run Linux. If you're not a gamer, most Linux distributions work great out of the box. What kind of hardware needs are there? You've got your cpu, memory, keyboard, mouse, video card, and printer. None of these should be a problem, and if your video card is an Nvidia, those guys always keep up with their linux drivers. Gaming aside, all software applications you run in Windows has a Linux counterpart. I agree with you, that we are insane. I don't deny that. I take pride in it! It's truly for the gaming side in me, that I always have windows running. I'm just trying to move one more application to my Linux side, and I'm having trouble. I don't get it either, because I didn't have trouble running B&W under Linux in the past. One thing I'll say about is this. If you use a solid distribution, software install is a breeze.
Example: FLAC
Under windows, I have to open up a browser, search for the flac application, download it, and install.
Under Mandriva, open a console, type "urpmi flac". The urpmi command will search for the flac application and install it in two seconds.
Now, not all applications out there are in the database, but most of what you need that didn't come out of the box is. I would never recommend that everyone uses Linux. It's not for everyone. Maybe one day it will be. It's had great improvements over the years, and it will continue to improve.
Example: FLAC
Under windows, I have to open up a browser, search for the flac application, download it, and install.
Under Mandriva, open a console, type "urpmi flac". The urpmi command will search for the flac application and install it in two seconds.
Now, not all applications out there are in the database, but most of what you need that didn't come out of the box is. I would never recommend that everyone uses Linux. It's not for everyone. Maybe one day it will be. It's had great improvements over the years, and it will continue to improve.
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I think my confusion started a ~sort-of almost~ flame war. lol.
btw at mgordon: I agree that installation in Linux is easier, 'cause of the repositories, but most new users don't want to touch the console at all since it's intimidating or something (personally I think it makes following directions to use things easier, since you can just C/P)
That's why like two minutes before I realized the point of the thread
() I suggested more noob-friendly distros.
Also... Did you get BW1 to work in WINE or anything? http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=13500 The last test was a while ago, and says textures are messed up, but it might've improved since.
At Okapidragon: In reference to the obsolete argument: What browser do you use? Microsoft is always pushing the use of IE onto people with Windows, yet it's quite possibly the most obsolete browser still in development that has a GUI. But do they care? No, because it tries to force people familiar with it to use Windows. That's how they do business, not improving products, but trying to force others to use their bad software. (Apple's basically the same, btw, with its hardware) Look at Silverlight. It's basically a competitor to Flash, which is multiplatform, that will most likely never install on anything other than Windows. No need for it, yet you can find it in pretty much every Microsoft-made installer as an optional component.
Windows has its uses, but it's becoming the obsolete OS. People (mostly) use it because they have no choice, as games arent' often made for Windows, schools teach people to use it, etc.
I think my confusion started a ~sort-of almost~ flame war. lol.
btw at mgordon: I agree that installation in Linux is easier, 'cause of the repositories, but most new users don't want to touch the console at all since it's intimidating or something (personally I think it makes following directions to use things easier, since you can just C/P)
That's why like two minutes before I realized the point of the thread
() I suggested more noob-friendly distros.Also... Did you get BW1 to work in WINE or anything? http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=13500 The last test was a while ago, and says textures are messed up, but it might've improved since.
At Okapidragon: In reference to the obsolete argument: What browser do you use? Microsoft is always pushing the use of IE onto people with Windows, yet it's quite possibly the most obsolete browser still in development that has a GUI. But do they care? No, because it tries to force people familiar with it to use Windows. That's how they do business, not improving products, but trying to force others to use their bad software. (Apple's basically the same, btw, with its hardware) Look at Silverlight. It's basically a competitor to Flash, which is multiplatform, that will most likely never install on anything other than Windows. No need for it, yet you can find it in pretty much every Microsoft-made installer as an optional component.
Windows has its uses, but it's becoming the obsolete OS. People (mostly) use it because they have no choice, as games arent' often made for Windows, schools teach people to use it, etc.
Okay, this is a bit funny, because I hold few assumptions. I've, over time, dual-booted with about eighteen or nineteen types of Linux, as well as with Vista, besides my normal XP/In earlier days ME. Therefore, I hold that I am among the few of us Micro$oft people who actually have room to say anything about Linux. I currently run OpenOffice and Corell, not because I like either of those better than MSOffice, but because 2007 is crap and costs more than my computer did, and I can't find a copy of 2003 (my pirating days ended when I was eight, and discovered that it was illegal. Sadly, I can't say the same for my father). On the main, I can attest that Microsoft is better for software applications, as well. As for obsolescence, that was a jab at the Mac people, which cannot upgrade because Apple obsoletes everything it makes every few years (or less). Take m4a's, for example.
Anyhow, what with that "holding no assumptions" thing, I do admit that IE sucks. I don't like Opera or Safari, either. I use Mozilla Firefox, and I've been using Mozilla since before it was Firebird, when it was just Mozilla. Also, I'd rather have the work of actually finding my software from a Windows OS than the concretedness of using the interface in Linux to download the approved, carefully sorted Linux alternatives.
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Anyhow, what with that "holding no assumptions" thing, I do admit that IE sucks. I don't like Opera or Safari, either. I use Mozilla Firefox, and I've been using Mozilla since before it was Firebird, when it was just Mozilla. Also, I'd rather have the work of actually finding my software from a Windows OS than the concretedness of using the interface in Linux to download the approved, carefully sorted Linux alternatives.
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mgordon1100
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Jaden, this isn't a flame war, it's a friendly discussion. I could have sworn that I posted a response a couple of days ago. I know I typed it. In fact, I typed more than my first statement here, but I don't remember what it was. That was two days ago! Oh well.
Okapidragon, this has gone way beyond my original reason for this thread. I'm still trying to get B&W working. Ok, I'm using it in windows, but I want to not have to boot into windows so much. I'd just like to keep my computer running like it is now. That's ok though, I don't mind a discussion. In fact, I really enjoy it.
That said, the software repositories are not for using the "approved" software applications. It's just an easy way to install programs. In my example, flac just happens to be the most widely used way for people to compress audio losslessly. I just find it nice that it's in the repositories for me to install easily. If I want a piece of software that's not there, I don't look for an alternative that is in there, I look for that piece on the internet and intsall it by the means that it's offered. If that means I have to compile it, then so be it. It sounds like your confusing these repositories I'm talking about with one particular distribution. I'll spell it out, Lindows. Yes, Lindows offered a way to install software very easily, and the stuff that was in there could probably be considered "approved" software. I tried it once. Lindows (or now Linspire), was probably the worst Linux dist that I've tried. Not bad for newbies that don't want to get their hands dirty. For me, I found that they created a dist that you really couldn't get yourself down into. It is set up in a proprietary manner, much like windows or OSX (runs on top of BSD) is probably a better example.
Like I said before, linux isn't for everyone. I like it because I enjoy working on my system more than I enjoy using it. That doesn't mean I can't use it. it means that there is so much that you can do with it to customize it and all, that I enjoy exploring my options. It's what I do for fun.
I could have sworn that I posted a response a couple of days ago. I know I typed it. In fact, I typed more than my first statement here, but I don't remember what it was. That was two days ago! Oh well. Okapidragon, this has gone way beyond my original reason for this thread. I'm still trying to get B&W working. Ok, I'm using it in windows, but I want to not have to boot into windows so much. I'd just like to keep my computer running like it is now. That's ok though, I don't mind a discussion. In fact, I really enjoy it.
That said, the software repositories are not for using the "approved" software applications. It's just an easy way to install programs. In my example, flac just happens to be the most widely used way for people to compress audio losslessly. I just find it nice that it's in the repositories for me to install easily. If I want a piece of software that's not there, I don't look for an alternative that is in there, I look for that piece on the internet and intsall it by the means that it's offered. If that means I have to compile it, then so be it. It sounds like your confusing these repositories I'm talking about with one particular distribution. I'll spell it out, Lindows. Yes, Lindows offered a way to install software very easily, and the stuff that was in there could probably be considered "approved" software. I tried it once. Lindows (or now Linspire), was probably the worst Linux dist that I've tried. Not bad for newbies that don't want to get their hands dirty. For me, I found that they created a dist that you really couldn't get yourself down into. It is set up in a proprietary manner, much like windows or OSX (runs on top of BSD) is probably a better example.
Like I said before, linux isn't for everyone. I like it because I enjoy working on my system more than I enjoy using it. That doesn't mean I can't use it. it means that there is so much that you can do with it to customize it and all, that I enjoy exploring my options. It's what I do for fun.